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	<title>Comments on: Dartmouth College&#8217;s Need-Blind Admissions Policy</title>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.educatednation.com/2009/04/01/dartmouth-colleges-need-blind-admissions-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-125166</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I completely agree that this kind of need-blind admissions policy is just a small measure in the face of enormous inequity, I disagree that it is meaningless and merely self serving publicity.

As I understand it, Dartmouth has both a need-blind and no-loan policy for students whose families make under $75k/yr which they only calculate after the decision to accept.  At least this means that that decision wasn&#039;t influenced by how much the school would have to shell out to cover the student.  So, yes, lower income students still have many more obstacles than wealthy ones to achieving Dartmouth&#039;s required level of academic qualifications for acceptance.  But, the way it&#039;s being done in this case (need-blind and no-loan) is not discriminatory against the lower income applicants and removes the cost barrier of attendance for those students after admission allowing them to actually go.

The so called elite schools in the US had record low admission rates in 2008 largely due to surging application levels.  Dartmouth had the highest level of acceptance among them, at 13%, a full four points higher than any other Ivy league school.  With this kind of competition, I think it&#039;s a good sign that they and others are moving in this direction.

Larger scale, dramatic action is absolutely necessary but this is significant and valuable.  Recognize them and then demand more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I completely agree that this kind of need-blind admissions policy is just a small measure in the face of enormous inequity, I disagree that it is meaningless and merely self serving publicity.</p>
<p>As I understand it, Dartmouth has both a need-blind and no-loan policy for students whose families make under $75k/yr which they only calculate after the decision to accept.  At least this means that that decision wasn&#8217;t influenced by how much the school would have to shell out to cover the student.  So, yes, lower income students still have many more obstacles than wealthy ones to achieving Dartmouth&#8217;s required level of academic qualifications for acceptance.  But, the way it&#8217;s being done in this case (need-blind and no-loan) is not discriminatory against the lower income applicants and removes the cost barrier of attendance for those students after admission allowing them to actually go.</p>
<p>The so called elite schools in the US had record low admission rates in 2008 largely due to surging application levels.  Dartmouth had the highest level of acceptance among them, at 13%, a full four points higher than any other Ivy league school.  With this kind of competition, I think it&#8217;s a good sign that they and others are moving in this direction.</p>
<p>Larger scale, dramatic action is absolutely necessary but this is significant and valuable.  Recognize them and then demand more.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.educatednation.com/2009/04/01/dartmouth-colleges-need-blind-admissions-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-125162</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is absolutely unremarkable, and deserves little praise if any. A truly impressive admissions policy would OF COURSE never turn folks away because of need; rather, they&#039;d take into consideration the myriad disparities and inequities within this society, creating NEED SENSITIVE admissions.  A white straight able-bodied rich kid getting a 4.0 (because he doesn&#039;t need a job to support his family) and exceptional test scores (because his parents enrolled him in expensive test prep classes) should never be accepted before someone who has overcome much more adversity to produce the &quot;same&quot; academic record.  

Pretending that inequities don&#039;t exist - under a &quot;need-blind&quot; system, does nothing to rectify the huge advantages that some populations hold, and it doesn&#039;t serve disadvantaged populations - it just stops screwing them so badly.  Ultimately, though they ignorantly and proudly claim otherwise in their self-supporting press releases, by not taking structural inequalities  into consideration, schools like Dartmouth are not accepting the very best pool of students possible...but instead a disproportionately privileged group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolutely unremarkable, and deserves little praise if any. A truly impressive admissions policy would OF COURSE never turn folks away because of need; rather, they&#8217;d take into consideration the myriad disparities and inequities within this society, creating NEED SENSITIVE admissions.  A white straight able-bodied rich kid getting a 4.0 (because he doesn&#8217;t need a job to support his family) and exceptional test scores (because his parents enrolled him in expensive test prep classes) should never be accepted before someone who has overcome much more adversity to produce the &#8220;same&#8221; academic record.  </p>
<p>Pretending that inequities don&#8217;t exist &#8211; under a &#8220;need-blind&#8221; system, does nothing to rectify the huge advantages that some populations hold, and it doesn&#8217;t serve disadvantaged populations &#8211; it just stops screwing them so badly.  Ultimately, though they ignorantly and proudly claim otherwise in their self-supporting press releases, by not taking structural inequalities  into consideration, schools like Dartmouth are not accepting the very best pool of students possible&#8230;but instead a disproportionately privileged group.</p>
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		<title>By: Educated Nation--College Admissions Panels Using Their Powers For Good &#124; Educated Nation &#124; Higher Education Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Educated Nation--College Admissions Panels Using Their Powers For Good &#124; Educated Nation &#124; Higher Education Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Like Dartmouth College, Amherst also has a need-blind admissions policy. Don&#8217;t they have enough good karma built up? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Like Dartmouth College, Amherst also has a need-blind admissions policy. Don&#8217;t they have enough good karma built up? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alexa - I just saw D&#039;s homepage change a few days ago regarding their admitted students because a colleagues son was accepted there.  U Chicago is another college that totally understands the financial needs of students going to an Ivy-ish school.  I totally respect these colleges decisions to accept the idea that if a student works hard enough to get into their colleges, income shouldn&#039;t be the deciding factor of whether or not they&#039;ll attend.  Bravo Dartmouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alexa &#8211; I just saw D&#8217;s homepage change a few days ago regarding their admitted students because a colleagues son was accepted there.  U Chicago is another college that totally understands the financial needs of students going to an Ivy-ish school.  I totally respect these colleges decisions to accept the idea that if a student works hard enough to get into their colleges, income shouldn&#8217;t be the deciding factor of whether or not they&#8217;ll attend.  Bravo Dartmouth.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Impressive - a total commitment on excellence regardless of the student&#039;s financial background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impressive &#8211; a total commitment on excellence regardless of the student&#8217;s financial background.</p>
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